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In the days after Corey Ruiz was killed by Madison police on Williamson Street, Angela sits down with Carmella Glenn, Alder for District 18. Carmella traces her path into criminal justice reform — a family cycled through the correctional system, years spent working inside the walls herself — and makes the case for civilian oversight as the thing our city can’t afford to get wrong.
She breaks down what the Office of the Independent Police Monitor actually does, why Madison’s has struggled to gain traction, and how monitors elsewhere have driven measurable change — in Denver, a monitor-driven use-of-force policy cut incidents 21% over 20 months. She’s honest about the trauma carried on every side, officers included, and shares a moment that stopped her cold: on day 25 of her own oversight education campaign, she came face to face with a former detective she’d once testified against.
Her throughline — healing won’t come from a single leader or a single fix. It comes from a community equipped to hold every level of government accountable, and from the harder work of undoing what we’ve inherited, not just reforming it.
